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1971 AMC Matador, a cheaper way of rapid prototyping

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1971 AMC Matador, a cheaper way of rapid prototyping

Postby choc-ice » Sun Dec 01, 2013 3:39 am

To make new bodyshells for my cars I make a master, a silicone mold and then resin casts. Even when you add in some vacformed windows and interior it's still a lot cheaper than the £50,000+ that the major manufacturers use for injection molds. And with the cars I make, the break even point would be hundreds of years :lol:

I now work with a local company to do the silicone moulding and resin casting but the biggest cost has always been making the master for the silicone mold. I've used various types of 3D printing, SLA, and FDM but even though my chassis are made with SLS process (selective laser sintering), I've never tried it for a master bodyshell.

However I recently got in touch with a place in London and they said they could make a much higher resolution part than I'd had before. Could this combine the low cost of SLS with the accurate surface finish of the better 3D prints?

The next candidate for a bodyshell was the AMC Matador, probably the most common TV and film police car until the 1977 Dodge Monaco came along.
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I got the 3D surface data for a 1971 model
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Then got a bureau service to stitch the surfaces together so it could be made. Most 3D models have holes in the surfaces where the edges don't quite meet; it's not a huge problem when the car is used in a computer game but it can't be 3D printed like that, the mesh has to be complete.

I uploaded the file, paid about 30% of what an SLA would cost and waited, nervously, for two weeks. Then this arrived!
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It looked fantastic, the powdery surface was still there but it was much tighter than the SLS usually is, certainly much finer than my SLS chassis. I tried it out for size on a chassis, although I'd done all the checks on the computer before so I wasn't too worried about it fitting properly
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I then washed it, dried it and put some primer on. Then sanded it down and primered again.
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It took about 5 coats, sanding down between each one, before I was satisfied that the surface was good. Then I got busy with the silicone mould as usual.

Today, the first resin casting came out of the mold and it looks great. The window apertures need a little more cleaning up but the surface quality is excellent.
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It still needs windows, but I'm hoping one of my existing interiors will fit, and the wheel centres are similar to the later Dodge I already have. I see lots of this, in the car's future
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Re: 1971 AMC Matador, a cheaper way of rapid prototyping

Postby HomeRacingWorld » Sun Dec 01, 2013 8:57 am

You are doing a lot of great work on these projects. I admire your dedication to it.

And you might be the only person on Earth that cared enough to do this car. But it fits in the theme you are making perfectly.

Bravo!
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Re: 1971 AMC Matador, a cheaper way of rapid prototyping

Postby racer6583 » Sun Dec 01, 2013 9:31 am

:text-bravo: And what Harry said, your work and the detail on the Matador looks to be a lot better and the lines are sharper.
The SLA process seems to be the way to go, on the mold side of things,How thick is the body and do you have to do any thinning to get the body to fit ?
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Re: 1971 AMC Matador, a cheaper way of rapid prototyping

Postby choc-ice » Sun Dec 01, 2013 11:25 am

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Re: 1971 AMC Matador, a cheaper way of rapid prototyping

Postby dge467 » Sun Dec 01, 2013 12:44 pm

That is a cool obscure subject! Thanks for sharing!
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Re: 1971 AMC Matador, a cheaper way of rapid prototyping

Postby Vintage 1/24 » Sun Dec 01, 2013 2:45 pm

Really like the process of using 3D printing to model subjects that have not been covered by mainstream companies...

The freshly printed body still looks rough to me, I understand you master it, sand, paint and fill it to make it all good, but is there a smoother material or higher resolution (more voxels?) method available for creating 3D printed objects (car bodies)?

I think I will have to try this out at some point - It is just so compelling to create fully 'manufactured' objects straight from our imaginations.

Thanks for offering these unique and cool products using 21st century tech.
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Re: 1971 AMC Matador, a cheaper way of rapid prototyping

Postby choc-ice » Sun Dec 01, 2013 3:49 pm

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Re: 1971 AMC Matador, a cheaper way of rapid prototyping

Postby proxieken » Thu Dec 05, 2013 6:52 pm

Can you let us know what you mean by a bureau service? I have a couple digital files of cars I would love to get 3d printed but the stitching of holes take me forever. Also, the polygons make everything boxy looking. It looks like your models turn out nice and smooth.

Very nice work on this.
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Re: 1971 AMC Matador, a cheaper way of rapid prototyping

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Re: 1971 AMC Matador, a cheaper way of rapid prototyping

Postby Wolseley Hornet » Fri Dec 06, 2013 4:27 am

It must be difficult to avoid losing detail of shut lines, window surrounds etc,when doing the successive paintings and sandings.

I guess this wouldn't matter so much on the modern Euro-jelly-moulds, but must be a real headache in cars of the 70s where these sharp-edged details were part of the design.


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Re: 1971 AMC Matador, a cheaper way of rapid prototyping

Postby KnowtoriousWon » Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:54 am

Wow!
Really? A '71 Matador!
Growing up... well when I was young my friends dad worked for AMC and they had an Ambassador wagon that looked just like this car. So I guess you could say I'm familiar with the back seat of these cars.
I must say that is really great work you are doing.
Now Im just wondering what it'll take to convert one to a two door stock car version.
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Re: 1971 AMC Matador, a cheaper way of rapid prototyping

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Re: 1971 AMC Matador, a cheaper way of rapid prototyping

Postby choc-ice » Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:48 am

Finished at last!

The silicon mold came out well and the resin bodyshell looks neat, especially with some paint and chrome to pick out the details
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I made up some graphics to mimic the Adam-12 cars which were pretty accurate to the LA police
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Then cast some roof lights and siren. I already have these for my Chicago police car, but of course they're different :roll:

Interior fitted and it's ready for the track
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Call the cops!
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Re: 1971 AMC Matador, a cheaper way of rapid prototyping

Postby dreinecke » Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:37 am

Gareth - that has to be the coolest collection of 1:32 cop cars ever! Nice work on the Matador.

1-Adam-12, what's your 10?
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