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Monogram Daytona Coupe Challenge - Repost

Postby HomeRacingWorld » Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:55 am

Taken from original forum in 2012

One thing about these cars, a bunch of them together is an impressive sight. As bad a photographer as I am, I call these great shots. Imagine what someone who knew what he was doing could do.

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Getting to business, here are the various things folks did with their cars. Notice the different parts of the underbody that were cut out and mounting post modifications, the chassis changes, including freeing the edges from any body contact, contact posts that are cut away, motor swaps, drive shaft changes, and a pinion change you can't see. The brass pinion on one of them was not the same pitch as the crown gear on the Revell, and it was bound. I swapped it for a stock pinion and taped the brass one to the inside of the body for the owner. Nearly all cut the mounting lug off the belly, and the magnet box as well.

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Here is the long and short of wheels and tires clearance... The lowest car in the group and the highest. Notice that the lowest is basically a tripod, the front wheels nearly don't touch the track. Both the fronts and the rears have been sanded down as far as they will go and still function. On the straights, the fronts are stock-still. The other car is the highest clearance in the group, owing to having cut down front tires from the rear of the original car, and Indy Grips silicones on the rear. Oddly, the tires that fill the wheels wells actually belong to the fastest car in the group. There's a lesson in there somewhere about how we prepare front motor cars. For one thing, each of the cars with rear tires sanded down noticeably were much slower than their brothers. But the fact that urethanes and silicones on the rear that were full size had not only speed, but better handling all around is something to think about.

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Two of the cars were slim can motors, and their performance was much different from each other, but not all that different from the fat motors in the straights. In the esses, they ran off and left everybody. What they differ in power is made up for in lightness. In fact, balancing a slimcan car is a different task entirely from a standard fat motor. I suspect that has a lot to do with the way manufacturers have been using them. In these front motored cars, the difference can be amazing as a single change to the car.

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The highest and the lowest again. The guide depth isn't significantly different, but the body, therefore the center of gravity, is higher on the lighter blue car. But the lower center of gravity car isn't faster. The darker blue car is the fastest car in the 7 that were tested. But that low car sure looks good, doesn't it? Of them all, the lowest car definitely looks the best by far. If I was a better photographer, you would see it better.

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In conclusion, the bad name that front motor cars have had is bunk. You can fix them with just a little thinking and a motor change here and there. In this case, the guide depth matters, but the body height doesn't. The added weight that made the difference ads up to only 1/8 ounce or less. I'm going to re-visit the big bad buggaboo of front motors this week, the Panoz. If I use what I learned here, I bet that car will fly around the track.

The road tests were something I wish I could have filmed. Seven cars running one after another, and then 3 at a time. That was really fun. Each of the cars ran the inside lane and the outside lane at a constant speed to observe the cornering characteristics, and was run as fast as possible in the center lane. After every heat, tires were thoroughly cleaned, and braids were cleaned. The results have been hinted at above, but the end result was dark blue first overall, then white, then red. The remaining four cars were almost identical. The difference, as always with slot cars, is the speed in the curves, and wheel spin coming out of the curves. The cars that went through the esses swinging way out still maintaining their speed, had wheel spin as they entered the straights, and lost to the cars that held the line in the curves, then hit the straight with full traction and brakes. Like we are always saying, “The fastest car isn't usually the winner”. And having one driver for all the cars eliminates the skill factor in the test. It levels the field.

Oh and lastly, cut that damned mounting lug off the belly. It sticks down so far, it can ruin your clearance. I never noticed how much that thing hung down before. And using red velvet from your wife's fabric stash makes a great background for photography...

A comparison with this many visiting cars is a big job, but you can do it and have a ball if you plan it ahead of time. Afterward, I recommend massive intake of cold beverages with sausage and cheese as a reward for getting it done! [*burp*]
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Re: Monogram Daytona Coupe Challenge - Repost

Postby HomeRacingWorld » Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:39 am

You are welcome.

I always liked them when most all did not AND still do. :)
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Re: Monogram Daytona Coupe Challenge - Repost

Postby TsgtRet » Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:51 am

Harry I agree with your "bunk" comment about front motor cars; are they a different animal? Sure. I have a Fly 365GTB I got from a member and the mods are:weight/no mag, Racer wheels, S2 silicones and the "Wise" driveshaft coupling. Is it the fastest car in the pack? No, but is it fun to drive and competitive with its brethren? YES! Thanks for the repost!
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Re: Monogram Daytona Coupe Challenge - Repost

Postby VenturaAlfa » Thu Jun 04, 2015 1:19 pm

I agree about front motored cars. With over 200 cars now the lap record on my track is still held by a Revell Greenwood Corvette. Over time I've come to believe it is a unique car from Revell: it needed very little work to be fast. The only real change was a set of Paul Gage tires on the rear.

Other cars from other manufacturers have come close to the time of the Greenwood but none have beaten it even after many years of racing.
The car also handles very well mag or no mag. The small amount of brakes that Revell cars have means you have to drive it differently with the mag out but it really isn't a hard adjustment.

Those Daytona are excellent. nice job.

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Re: Monogram Daytona Coupe Challenge - Repost

Postby waaytoomuchintothis » Thu Jun 04, 2015 1:38 pm

That Greenwood Corvette is a wonder. I liked them so much I did a few repaints of them for guest cars. I keep "indestructible" cars for kids who visit, and Greenwood Corvettes in fantasy liveries for adult guests. For quite a while, you could get them at less than half the retail price as remainders online, and I got a bunch of them.

When I did that article, I already liked the Daytonas very much (I remember them well when they were the newest thing from Carroll Shelby). Getting the chance to do a blind comparison of what others did to them was a real treat. I would urge other folks to do it, too. Think of all the cars that we have in common and the endless variety of techniques we use to get them running the way we want.
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Re: Monogram Daytona Coupe Challenge - Repost

Postby Audi1 » Thu Jun 04, 2015 5:10 pm

Thanks Harry, this is very helpful.

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Re: Monogram Daytona Coupe Challenge - Repost

Postby loosewheel » Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:26 am

Does not look like you have too much a gap in the back, maybe I'm worrying too much about the body float and should work on ride height.

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Re: Monogram Daytona Coupe Challenge - Repost

Postby loosewheel » Thu Jul 30, 2015 11:09 am

OK, works for me.
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