Ford-Porsche Wars Proxy - Rules & Registration

Here we go! Round #2 in what started last year as a proxy duel between both builders and marques.

Re: Ford-Porsche Wars Proxy - Rules & Registration

Postby chrisguyw » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:05 am

Hello Allan, May I have #11 please....

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Re: Ford-Porsche Wars Proxy - Rules & Registration

Postby Z-carfan » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:50 am

Rule Question Allan,

When I bought my 906 body It did not have an interior. I was going to use styrene and a half driver fig with steering wheel.
Would this fulfill the 3D interior rule? If not what changes to the sheet styrene would make that compatible with the rule? I suppose I could notch out a section for the drive and add a seated figure?

What say you?

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Re: Ford-Porsche Wars Proxy - Rules & Registration

Postby Audi1 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:32 am

Hi Mike,

I think what you proposed would be OK, as long as it fits the below criteria:

"Lightweight interiors allowed, but must be 3D and painted to show drivers head, shoulders, arms, steering wheel and dash"

Adding a little more clarification to that would be to say that the head should be full, but the shoulders, arms and steering wheel can be representation of the tops only. The dash can also be a representation and does not need to be full. We want to keep as much realism in these cars as possible; given that they will be used for racing.

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Re: Ford-Porsche Wars Proxy - Rules & Registration

Postby Audi1 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:44 am

chrisguyw wrote:Hello Allan, May I have #11 please....

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Hi Chris, #11 is yours! Good luck.

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Re: Ford-Porsche Wars Proxy - Rules & Registration

Postby F1Fan » Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:11 pm

Hi Allan

With this many cars entered, can you confirm that host's will have to 1) complete the event on the same day 2) the order for racing, will it be by discretion of host, car number or qualifying 3) is there a minimum/maximum race time for each car at each event 4) will each car be driven by each driver for an equal amount of time?

Asking because hosting a proxy with this many cars (if they all show up) will be time consuming and hosts might time out on the event on the same day, which could impact the performance of the cars, the track conditions and the availability of the same drivers. E.g. track grip could be very different for car 46 if cars 1 through 45 - each race 8 mins prior!

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Re: Ford-Porsche Wars Proxy - Rules & Registration

Postby Z-carfan » Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:15 pm

Audi1 wrote:Hi Mike,

I think what you proposed would be OK, as long as it fits the below criteria:

"Lightweight interiors allowed, but must be 3D and painted to show drivers head, shoulders, arms, steering wheel and dash"

Adding a little more clarification to that would be to say that the head should be full, but the shoulders, arms and steering wheel can be representation of the tops only. The dash can also be a representation and does not need to be full. We want to keep as much realism in these cars as possible; given that they will be used for racing.

Best,

Allan


Thanks Allan, that is something I can work with. Cheers!
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Re: Ford-Porsche Wars Proxy - Rules & Registration

Postby Audi1 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:48 pm

F1Fan wrote:Hi Allan

With this many cars entered, can you confirm that host's will have to 1) complete the event on the same day 2) the order for racing, will it be by discretion of host, car number or qualifying 3) is there a minimum/maximum race time for each car at each event 4) will each car be driven by each driver for an equal amount of time?

Asking because hosting a proxy with this many cars (if they all show up) will be time consuming and hosts might time out on the event on the same day, which could impact the performance of the cars, the track conditions and the availability of the same drivers. E.g. track grip could be very different for car 46 if cars 1 through 45 - each race 8 mins prior!

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Hi Chris,

No, I can't confirm all those points.

It is the intent that all cars will be raced on the same day, with the drivers staying in their lanes for the entire event, that the run order will reflect their qualification results; likely reverse qualifying order, and that all cars will be driven for the same amount of time in each lane; likely 3 minutes per lane. But, with a field this large, as you point out, I feel that we need to provide each host with the flexibility that they need in order to run their Round both effectively and efficiently; in a manner that they are both used to and comfortable with.

Probably the best way to get a true feel for how this series will progress, from a racing format standpoint, is to take a look at last year's Ford vs Ferrari Wars proxy; look at the threads on the individual Rounds and see how they were run and what the results were. Many of the tracks that were used in last year's event are also being used in this year's event.

We spent 6 hours running the recent HRW TransAm proxy cars (45 cars). A great time, but a long Round. With 54 cars it will be challenging; there is no doubt about that. We are likely to see some decrease in that number by the time of the first race; due to attrition based on any of several causes. This will be a great field of car and I think that will be one of the factors that keeps interest high at each Round.

I hope this helps.

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Re: Ford-Porsche Wars Proxy - Rules & Registration

Postby gascarnut » Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:55 pm

F1Fan wrote:Hi Allan

With this many cars entered, can you confirm that host's will have to 1) complete the event on the same day 2) the order for racing, will it be by discretion of host, car number or qualifying 3) is there a minimum/maximum race time for each car at each event 4) will each car be driven by each driver for an equal amount of time?

Asking because hosting a proxy with this many cars (if they all show up) will be time consuming and hosts might time out on the event on the same day, which could impact the performance of the cars, the track conditions and the availability of the same drivers. E.g. track grip could be very different for car 46 if cars 1 through 45 - each race 8 mins prior!

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I've been thinking about this too. 55 cars would be a very long day if each car is to get a decent run time on each lane of most of our tracks. I usually try to run the cars twice through my track's 3 lanes, 2 minutes at a time, so that would be nearly 4 hours of racing alone without lane changes, driver changes etc. I could reduce it to 1 round of 3 minutes per lane for a total of 9 per car, that would leave me with just under 3 hours of racing and might be manageable.

I think I would run the Porsches against each other one day, then the Fords another, and possibly the top X of each group against each other later.
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Re: Ford-Porsche Wars Proxy - Rules & Registration

Postby Z-carfan » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:34 pm

gascarnut,

That actually sounds like a cool idea, Porsche one day, Ford the next, Top 5 of each side go to a final round to determine a winner. ( My vote is YEAH). :auto-driving: :banana-dance:
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Re: Ford-Porsche Wars Proxy - Rules & Registration

Postby CrockettNZ » Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:55 pm

the way we normally run proxy's here are the cars have qualifying one day
and then the big race in the next fews days after that
and then they race in groups of 3 or 4 depending on how many lanes the track being used has
each group will run all heats for their race at once
starting with the slowest qualifiers working up to the fastest qualifiers
that makes it easier to get track
we have the same driver on the same lane for all cars and use the track owner and best drivers that are available on the day
one guy focused on putting all the data in the computer and 1-2 guys focused on getting the right cars on track and in the right lanes
plus the right lane sticker as well as cleaning the tires with the sticky tape board
as for the time each heat length will be will depend on how many cars there ends up being

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Re: Ford-Porsche Wars Proxy - Rules & Registration

Postby Audi1 » Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:16 am

That qualifying/racing format will be fine for this series, CrockettNZ. It's very similar to what other hosts will do.

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Re: Ford-Porsche Wars Proxy - Rules & Registration

Postby Mitch58 » Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:18 am

That's how we run proxies here in the Portland area. If we have a proxy with multiple classes we may switch drivers between classes, provided we have enough people, which we usually do. If any of us are participating in a particular class of a proxy, they will typically marshal during that class, again providing we have enough other drivers.
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Re: Ford-Porsche Wars Proxy - Rules & Registration

Postby urbanwarrior » Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:39 pm

Allan I'm going to go with Ford 73 and Porsche 83. Hope they work.
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Re: Ford-Porsche Wars Proxy - Rules & Registration

Postby Audi1 » Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:49 pm

John, those two numbers are yours. Have fun building them out and good luck in the racing!

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Re: Ford-Porsche Wars Proxy - Rules & Registration

Postby F1Fan » Sat Apr 15, 2017 10:49 am

Allan,

Minimum clearance 1.2mm

Does this measurement include the crown gear? [Apologies if this was asked before, in some proxies the rule is without the gear, others not]

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