Can-Am Proxy Series for 2018?

[Audi1]

Being that it's the end of the year, I was doing a little noodling about cars that I like to build and race and that don't' seem to get much action on the proxy circuit nowadays. The two that stand out most in my mind are the Can-Am cars and the Group C cars.

As a first step, I thought I'd ask the racers and modelers here if there's any interest in having a proxy series built around the old Group 7 Can-Am cars; the ones that raced in the 1966-74 era; Lolas, McLarens, Porsches, Chaparrals, Shadows, etc. If there is, then let me know and we can start looking more closely at it. 1/32 scale, plastic or 3D bodies, open chassis; maybe 22k rpm motor limit, open gearing, podded or non-podded, rubber or urethane tires, etc. No details at this point, just some ideas. Maybe 5 races in the US and 5 in Canada; to stick at least a little with the original idea behind the series when it began in the mid-'60's.

Any interest?

Allan

[Z-carfan]

Um... YES! Loved the last Can-Am proxy I was in. Would be into building another.

[BARC 1]

Absolutely interested. My favorite cars.

If you went back a couple of years you would catch the earlier chaparrals(2A) and the Lotus 30 and 40.

[chrisguyw]

I am interested !!

Happy Holidays
Chris Walker

PS Would be nice to see rules constructed that would not result in a full field of Tslot T70's.

[Dogsbody]

I'd like to but my Chappy 1 is too old ('62).

[Aloha]

Allan
I would be delighted to participate
Aloha
Dale

[Brumos RSR]

I'm in!!! #33 and 59 please . Now I can't sleep I'm so excited

[Mitch58]

I have a few of those on the shelf just looking for something to do.

[Brumos RSR]

[FC47]

I grew up with Can-Am cars wallpaper in my room,
Count me in!!

[Audi1]

OK, some interest and some issues to deal with (TS Lola T70). Here's a list of the cars that ran in the '66-'74 timeframe; all the way from the T70's to the 917/30's. Some fun cars in there and some great racing names to remember, too!

Let's give it a little more thought. Maybe limit to 6 races; 4 in the US and 2 in Canada, like the original 1966 series; and try to get them done in a short timeframe (run the US races, then the Canadian races, or vice versa) to keep the momentum and enthusiasm high. Maybe limit to 30 cars; which is usually a very workable number for the host tracks. I'm open to other ideas, so let me know what you're thinking.

1966 - Canadian-American Challenge Cup

1. John Surtees (GB) Lola T70 Mk.2 Chevrolet
2. Mark Donohue (USA) Lola T70 Mk.2 Chevrolet
3. Bruce McLaren (NZ) McLaren M1B Chevrolet
4. Phil Hill (USA) Chaparral 2E Chevrolet
5. Jim Hall (USA) Chaparral 2E Chevrolet
6. Chris Amon (NZ) McLaren M1B Chevrolet
7. Dan Gurney (USA) Lola T70 Mk.2 Ford
8. Chuck Parsons (USA) McLaren M1B Chevrolet
9. Graham Hill (GB) Lola T70 Mk.2 Chevrolet
10. Peter Revson (USA) McLaren M1B Ford
10. George Follmer (USA) Lola T70 Mk.2 Chevrolet/Ford
10. John Cannon (CDN) McLaren M1B Chevrolet
13. Earl Jones (USA) McLaren M1B Chevrolet
14. Masten Gregory (USA) McLaren M1B Chevrolet
14. Lothar Motschenbacher (USA) McLaren M1B Oldsmobile/Chevrolet
14. Paul Hawkins (AUS) Lola T70 Mk.2 Chevrolet
17. Eppie Wietzes (CDN) Ford GT40
17. Jerry Titus (USA) Webster Special Oldsmobile

1967 - Canadian-American Challenge Cup

1. Bruce McLaren (NZ) McLaren M6A Chevrolet
2. Denny Hulme (NZ) McLaren M6A Chevrolet
3. John Surtees (GB) Lola T70 Mk.3B / T70 Mk.2
4. Mark Donohue (USA) Lola T70 Mk.3B Chevrolet
5. Jim Hall (USA) Chaparral 2G Chevrolet
6. George Follmer (USA) Lola T70 Mk.3 Chevrolet
6. Mike Spence (GB) McLaren M1B Chevrolet
8. Bud Morley (USA) Lola T70 / McLaren M1B
9. Parnelli Jones (USA) Lola T70 Mk.3 Ford
9. Charlie Hayes (USA) McKee Mk.7 Oldsmobile/Chevrolet
9. Peter Revson (USA) Lola T70 Mk.3 / T70 Mk.3B
12. Lothar Motschenbacher (USA) Lola T70 Mk.3 Chevrolet
12. Skip Scott (USA) McLaren M1C Chevrolet
12. Chris Amon (NZ) Ferrari 330P4
15. Jerry Hansen (USA) McLaren M1B Chevrolet
15. Bill Eve (USA) Lola T70 Mk.3 / Lotus 19
15. Chuck Parsons (USA) McLaren M1C Chevrolet
15. Rick Muther (USA) Lola T70 Mk.2 Chevrolet

1968 - Canadian-American Challenge Cup

1. Denny Hulme (NZ) McLaren M8A Chevrolet
2. Bruce McLaren (NZ) McLaren M8A Chevrolet
3. Mark Donohue (USA) McLaren M6B Chevrolet
4. Jim Hall (USA) Chaparral 2G Chevrolet
5. Lothar Motschenbacher (USA) McLaren M6B Ford
6. John Cannon (CDN) McLaren M1B Chevrolet
7. George Follmer (USA) Lola T70 Mk.3B Ford
8. Jerry Titus (USA) McLaren M6B Chevrolet
9. Sam Posey (USA) Lola T160 / Caldwell D7C
9. Chuck Parsons (USA) Lola T160 Chevrolet
11. George Eaton (CDN) McLaren M1C Ford
12. Peter Revson (USA) McLaren M6B Ford
12. Swede Savage (USA) Lola T160 / McLaren M6B
14. Dick Brown (USA) McLaren M6B Chevrolet
15. Charlie Hayes (USA) McKee Mk.10 Oldsmobile
15. Dan Gurney (USA) McLaren M6B / Lola T160

1969 - Canadian-American Challenge Cup

1. Bruce McLaren (NZ) McLaren M8B Chevrolet
2. Denny Hulme (NZ) McLaren M8B Chevrolet
3. Chuck Parsons (USA) Lola T163 / T162
4. Jo Siffert (CH) Porsche 917 PA / 908/02
5. George Eaton (CDN) McLaren M12 Chevrolet
6. Chris Amon (NZ) Ferrari 612P / 712P / McLaren
7. Lothar Motschenbacher (USA) McLaren M12 Chevrolet
8. Tony Dean (GB) Porsche 908/02
9. John Surtees (GB) Chaparral 2H / McLaren M12
10. John Cordts (CDN) McLaren M6B Ford/Chevrolet
11. Mario Andretti (USA) McLaren M6B Ford 22
11. Dan Gurney (USA) McLaren M6B Chevrolet/Ford
13. Peter Revson (USA) Lola T163 / Ford G7A
14. Dick Brown (USA) McLaren M6B Chevrolet
15. Jack Brabham (AUS) McLaren M8B / Ford Open Sports etc.
16. Pedro Rodriguez (MEX) Matra MS630/650 / Ferrari 312P
16. Tom Dutton (USA) Lola T70 Mk.3 / Chaparral 2H
16. Leonard Janke (USA) McLaren M1C / Lola T160
19. Kris Harrison (CDN) McLaren M1C Chevrolet
19. Andrea de Adamich (I) McLaren M12 Chevrolet
19. Jacques Couture (CDN) McLaren M1B Chevrolet
22. Gary Wilson (USA) Lola T163 Chevrolet
22. Oscar Koveleski (USA) McLaren M6B Chevrolet
24. Dave Causey (USA) McLaren M6A Chevrolet
24. Fred Baker (USA) McLaren M6B / Lola T160
26. Richard Galloway (USA) McLaren M6B Chevrolet
27. Jo Bonnier (S) Lola T70 Mk.3B Chevrolet
28. Johnny Servoz-Gavin (F) Matra MS650
28. Joe Leonard () McKee Mk.10 / Mk.14
28. Roger McCaig (CDN) McLaren M6B Chevrolet
31. Brooke Doran (USA) Lola T160 Chevrolet
32. David Hobbs (GB) McLaren M6B Ford -
32. Spencer Stoddard (USA) McLaren M1 Chevrolet

1970 - Canadian-American Challenge Cup

1. Denny Hulme (NZ) McLaren M8D Chevrolet
2. Lothar Motschenbacher (USA) McLaren M8B / M8C
3. Peter Gethin (GB) McLaren M8D Chevrolet
4. Dave Causey (USA) Lola T163 Chevrolet
5. Jackie Oliver (GB) Autocoast Ti 22 Mk II
6. Tony Dean (GB) Porsche 908/02
7. Dan Gurney (USA) McLaren M8D Chevrolet
8. Peter Revson (USA) Lola T220 / McLaren M12
9. Bobby Brown (USA) McLaren M6B / Lola T163
10. Roger McCaig (CDN) McLaren M8C Chevrolet
11. Chris Amon (NZ) March 707 Chevrolet
12. Gary Wilson (USA) Lola T163 Chevrolet
13. Pedro Rodriguez (MEX) BRM P154 / Ferrari 512S etc.
14. Chuck Parsons (USA) Lola T160/3 / T163
15. Vic Elford (GB) Chaparral 2J / Shadow Mk.1 etc.
15. Oscar Koveleski (USA) McLaren M8B Chevrolet
17. Bob Bondurant (USA) Lola T160 / Ferrari 512S
17. Jo Siffert (CH) Porsche 917
19. Jim Adams (USA) Ferrari 512S / 512P
20. George Eaton (CDN) BRM P154 Chevrolet
20. Richard Attwood (GB) Porsche 917
22. Dick Durant (USA) Lola T163 Chevrolet
23. Tony Adamowicz (USA) McLaren M12 / Lola T70 Mk.3
23. Mario Andretti (USA) Ferrari 512S
25. Gijs van Lennep (NL) Porsche 917K
25. Gordon Dewar (CDN) McLaren M6A Chevrolet
27. Graeme Lawrence (NZ) McLaren M12 Chevrolet
28. Brian Redman (GB) Porsche 917
29. Leonard Janke (USA) McLaren M1C Chevrolet
29. Brooke Doran (USA) Lola T163 Chevrolet
31. Gérard Larrousse (F) Porsche 908/02
31. Ron Goldleaf (USA) McLaren M6B Chevrolet
31. Rainer Brezinka (CDN) McLaren M1C Chevrolet
31. Clif Apel (USA) McLaren M6B Chevrolet
31. Bob Nagel (USA) Lola T70 Mk.3 Ford
31. George Drolsom (USA) Lola T70 Mk.3 Chevrolet
31. Chuck Frederick () McKee Mk.6 Oldsmobile
31. Peter Gregg (USA) Lola T165 Chevrolet

1971 - Canadian-American Challenge Cup

1. Peter Revson (USA) McLaren M8F Chevrolet
2. Denny Hulme (NZ) McLaren M8F Chevrolet
3. Jackie Stewart (GB) Lola T260 Chevrolet
4. Jo Siffert (CH) Porsche 917/10
5. Lothar Motschenbacher (USA) McLaren M8D Chevrolet
6. Milt Minter (USA) Porsche 917 PA
7. Tony Adamowicz (USA) McLaren M8B Chevrolet
8. Chuck Parsons (USA) McLaren M8E/D / M8D / Lola 30
9. Vic Elford (GB) McLaren M8E / M8D / Lola 25
10. Hiroshi Kazato (J) Lola T222 Chevrolet
11. Sam Posey (USA) McLaren M8E / Ferrari 512M
12. John Cordts (CDN) McLaren M8C / Lola T160/3
13. Dave Causey (USA) Lola T222 Chevrolet
14. Jackie Oliver (GB) Shadow Mk.2 Chevrolet
14. Gregg Young (USA) McLaren M8E/D / Ferrari 512M
14. Howden Ganley (NZ) BRM P167 Chevrolet
17. Tom Dutton (USA) McLaren M6B Chevrolet
18. Herbert Müller (CH) Ferrari 512M
19. Bob Bondurant (USA) McLaren M8E/D Chevrolet
19. Mario Andretti (USA) Ferrari 712M
19. Brian Redman (GB) BRM P167 Chevrolet
22. Roger McCaig (CDN) McLaren M8E Chevrolet
23. Bobby Brown (USA) McLaren M8E / M6B
24. Dick Durant (USA) Lola T163 Chevrolet
25. Jim Adams (USA) Ferrari 512P
26. Steve Matchett (GB) Porsche 908/02
27. Andrea de Adamich (I) Alfa Romeo T33/3
28. Gary Wilson (USA) McLaren M12 Chevrolet
29. George Drolsom (USA) McLaren M8C Chevrolet
30. Charlie Kemp (USA) McLaren M8C Chevrolet
31. Gijs van Lennep (NL) Porsche 917
31. George Follmer (USA) McLaren M8D Chevrolet
33. Jim Butcher (USA) Lola T163 Chevrolet
33. Bob Nagel (USA) Lola T222 / McLaren M12

1972 - Canadian-American Challenge Cup

1. George Follmer (USA) Porsche 917/10
2. Denny Hulme (NZ) McLaren M20 Chevrolet
3. Milt Minter (USA) Porsche 917/10
4. Mark Donohue (USA) Porsche 917/10
5. François Cevert (F) McLaren M8F Chevrolet
6. Peter Revson (USA) McLaren M20 Chevrolet
7. David Hobbs (GB) Lola T310 Chevrolet
8. Jackie Oliver (GB) Shadow Mk.3 Chevrolet
9. Peter Gregg (USA) Porsche 917/10
10. Charlie Kemp (USA) Lola T222 Chevrolet
11. Lothar Motschenbacher (USA) McLaren M8D / M8F
12. Gregg Young (USA) McLaren M8F Chevrolet
13. Jean-Pierre Jarier (F) Ferrari 712M
14. Bob Nagel (USA) Lola T222 Chevrolet
15. Carlos Pace (BR) Shadow Mk.3 Chevrolet
16. Gary Wilson (USA) McLaren M8E Chevrolet
17. John Cordts (CDN) McLaren M8D / Lola T160/3
17. Sam Posey (USA) Porsche 917 PA / Ferrari 712M
19. Scooter Patrick (USA) Alfa Romeo T33/4
20. Gordon Dewar (CDN) McLaren M8C Chevrolet
21. Tom Heyser (USA) Lola T260 Chevrolet
22. Ed Felter (USA) McLaren M8E Chevrolet
22. Steve Durst (USA) McLaren M8E/D Chevrolet
22. Mike Hiss (USA) McLaren M8F Chevrolet
25. Warren Agor (USA) McLaren M8F / M8B
26. Willy Kauhsen (D) Porsche 917/10
26. Hans Wiedmer (D) McLaren M8F Chevrolet
26. Chuck Parsons (USA) McLaren M8F / Lola T160/3
29. Tony Dean (GB) Porsche 908/02
29. Pete Sherman (USA) McLaren M12 Chevrolet
31. Roger McCaig (CDN) McLaren M8F Chevrolet
32. Bob Peckham (USA) McLaren M8C Chevrolet

1973 - Canadian-American Challenge Cup

1. Mark Donohue (USA) Porsche 917/30
2. George Follmer (USA) Porsche 917/10
3. Hurley Haywood (USA) Porsche 917/10
4. Charlie Kemp (USA) Porsche 917/10
5. Bob Nagel (USA) Lola T260 Chevrolet
6. Jody Scheckter (ZA) Porsche 917/10
7. David Hobbs (GB) McLaren M20 Chevrolet
8. Scooter Patrick (USA) McLaren M8F Chevrolet
9. Jackie Oliver (GB) Shadow DN2 Chevrolet
10. Steve Durst (USA) Porsche 917/10 / McLaren M8F
11. Bobby Brown (USA) McLaren M8F Chevrolet
12. Milt Minter (USA) Alfa Romeo T33/3 / McLaren M8B
13. Hans Wiedmer (D) Porsche 917/10
13. Tom Dutton (USA) McLaren M8C Chevrolet
15. John Cannon (CDN) McLaren M8F / M20
16. Derek Bell (GB) McLaren M8F Chevrolet
17. Bob Peckham (USA) McLaren M8C Chevrolet
18. Danny Hopkins (USA) McLaren M8F Chevrolet
19. Tom Heyser (USA) Lola T260 Chevrolet
20. Gary Wilson (USA) McLaren M8E Chevrolet
21. Ed Felter (USA) McLaren M8E Chevrolet
22. John Cordts (CDN) McLaren M8D Chevrolet
23. Warren Agor (USA) McLaren M8F Chevrolet
24. Pete Sherman (USA) McLaren M8F Chevrolet
25. Peter Gregg (USA) Porsche 911 Carrera RSR
25. Hans Müller-Perschl (D) KMW SP30 Porsche

1974 - Canadian-American Challenge Cup

1. Jackie Oliver (GB) Shadow DN4 Chevrolet
2. George Follmer (USA) Shadow DN4 Chevrolet
3. Scooter Patrick (USA) McLaren M20 Chevrolet
4. Bob Nagel (USA) Lola T260 Chevrolet
5. John Gunn (USA) Lola T260 Chevrolet
6. Lothar Motschenbacher (USA) McLaren M8F Chevrolet
7. Dick Durant (USA) McLaren M8R Chevrolet
8. Dennis Aase (USA) Porsche 908/02
9. Herbert Müller (CH) Ferrari 512M 16
10. Brian Redman (GB) Porsche 917/30 / Ferrari 712M
10. John Cordts (CDN) McLaren M8F Chevrolet
12. Hurley Haywood (USA) Porsche 917/10
13. Monte Shelton (USA) McLaren M8F Chevrolet
13. Gary Wilson (USA) Sting GW1 Chevrolet
15. David Saville-Peck (CDN) Costello SP8 Oldsmobile
16. Roy Woods (USA) McLaren M8D Chevrolet
16. Gene Fisher (USA) Lola T222 Chevrolet
18. Bill Cuddy (USA) McLaren M8F Chevrolet
19. Horst Petermann (CDN) Porsche 908/02
20. Harry Bytzek (CDN) Porsche 908/02
20. Arturo Merzario (I) Alfa Romeo 33TT12
20. Bob Lazier (USA) McLaren M8E Chevrolet
23. Mike Brockman (USA) McLaren M8C Chevrolet
24. William Morrow () McLaren / Lola T163
24. Tom Butz (USA) McLaren M8F Chevrolet

Allan

[alexis in greece]

Its time to build that 612,i'm in

[BARC 1]

Thanks for all the Info Allan. I never knew a 911 RSR ran the Can Am. I know the Gulf 917's did when the logistics worked out for them, but was unaware of any 911s.

Personally I wish it went back a few years as the Chaparral 2C and Lotus 40 are interesting cars, but by 1966 nobody was running them.

However in the era you have identified I could run a Ferrari 350 and the Porsche 911 RSR and I would be a happy camper. I have resin shells for both of these, and only need to build a chassis or two.

I also like the idea of a shorter series. 6-8 tracks would be good and the cars wouldn't be away so long. I would still feel I am getting my moneys worth for the cost of postage and entry fee.

I really hope this comes to pass, and you can count on me for a couple of cars. #19, #20.

[glasshorsevh]

Allan,

I’m certainly onboard for a Can-Am proxy. I would however also like to this opened up to run from 1964 to 1974. As Dan touched on, there were some really iconic cars that ran in ‘64 and ‘65 as in the first of the rear engine Chaparrals, Lotus 30 - 40, Mclaren M1A, etc... Also, how about allowing a couple extra Ks for FF slim cans over the 130s and 180s?

Val

[alexis in greece]

Ferrari 612 #16 please