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Re: What is new in the digital world?

Postby docdoom » Sun Feb 12, 2017 6:54 pm

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Re: What is new in the digital world?

Postby b.yingling » Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:21 pm

Thanks docdoom for the good link. The new chip is described on page 10.

Maurizio was specifically asked if his phrasing re: 'native support' meant that a car with this oXigen chip installed could be driven with SSD or Carrera controllers. He confirmed that was the case.
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Re: What is new in the digital world?

Postby b.yingling » Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:30 pm

Czar wrote:We have also been told there will be no co-operation between the various makers.

Who told you this?! slot.it and Scalextric have been working together for many years now. The soon-coming Scaley digital wireless controllers were designed by slot.it. They have re-written some of the SSD protocol with Scaely's permission and encouragement. They have included SSD support in their oXigen chips for a very long time. They build their cars with a DPR hatch! The two companies digital offerings have been moving closer and closer to blending for quite a while now.
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Re: What is new in the digital world?

Postby BARC 1 » Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:57 pm

Well it has been said by some we would never have a standard. We still don't but at least there is now a decoder that works with all, so the next best thing.

This has been my biggest disappointment in digital slot cars when compared to the digital systems used in model railroading. So now Slot it is helping to unite digital users instead of alienating them. Kudos to them. Hopefully Carrera is on board with this development.

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Re: What is new in the digital world?

Postby b.yingling » Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:39 am

BARC 1 wrote:...there is now a decoder that works with all, so the next best thing.


Well..not quite all. SCX and Ninco are still out there, although N-digital is, I think, officially dead. Then there's Scorpius and Davic. But this is far closer than we've ever been to a 'universal' solution.
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Re: What is new in the digital world?

Postby Czar » Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:58 am

b.yingling wrote:
Czar wrote:We have also been told there will be no co-operation between the various makers.

Who told you this?! slot.it and Scalextric have been working together for many years now. The soon-coming Scaley digital wireless controllers were designed by slot.it. They have re-written some of the SSD protocol with Scaely's permission and encouragement. They have included SSD support in their oXigen chips for a very long time. They build their cars with a DPR hatch! The two companies digital offerings have been moving closer and closer to blending for quite a while now.


Sorry, I have not been aware of their co-operation. Kudos to both Slot.it and Scalextric for working together. I have to rely mostly on what is printed here since I have no other easily accessible source for information. My comments were based on the information published by Carrera. Since I am saddled with a Carrera system I tend to look at information pertaining to their system. I agree I am a bit myopic, but otherwise I get in trouble for thinking of new ideas and asking why it can't happen with the Carrera system. (Even though I already know what the response will be.)
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Re: What is new in the digital world?

Postby Drewbert34 » Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:21 am

Czar wrote:
b.yingling wrote:
Czar wrote:We have also been told there will be no co-operation between the various makers.

Who told you this?! slot.it and Scalextric have been working together for many years now. The soon-coming Scaley digital wireless controllers were designed by slot.it. They have re-written some of the SSD protocol with Scaely's permission and encouragement. They have included SSD support in their oXigen chips for a very long time. They build their cars with a DPR hatch! The two companies digital offerings have been moving closer and closer to blending for quite a while now.

I agree I am a bit myopic, but otherwise I get in trouble for thinking of new ideas and asking why it can't happen with the Carrera system. (Even though I already know what the response will be.)


THIS! :angry-soapbox: :text-goodpost:
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Re: What is new in the digital world?

Postby b.yingling » Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:20 am

Czar wrote:saddled with a Carrera system

I hate to hear digital described by its limitations...

Czar wrote: I have to rely mostly on what is printed here since I have no other easily accessible source for information.

Got one of those 'Home Racing World' only browsers, eh? I'd trade it in for one that accesses the Internet. Amazing what you can find out there.

Czar wrote:I agree I am a bit myopic, but otherwise I get in trouble for thinking of new ideas and asking why it can't happen with the Carrera system.

I seem to remember when your last idea (the controller) was proposed here that there were some people who told you exactly how it *could* be implemented on Carrera. What would be needed beyond just the controller itself to make it a reality. Did that some how get you in trouble? With whom?
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Re: What is new in the digital world?

Postby Burrell » Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:29 am

b.yingling wrote:
Czar wrote:saddled with a Carrera system

I hate to hear digital described by its limitations...

Czar wrote: I have to rely mostly on what is printed here since I have no other easily accessible source for information.

Got one of those 'Home Racing World' only browsers, eh? I'd trade it in for one that accesses the Internet. Amazing what you can find out there.

Czar wrote:I agree I am a bit myopic, but otherwise I get in trouble for thinking of new ideas and asking why it can't happen with the Carrera system.

I seem to remember when your last idea (the controller) was proposed here that there were some people who told you exactly how it *could* be implemented on Carrera. What would be needed beyond just the controller itself to make it a reality. Did that some how get you in trouble? With whom?


C'mon man. I know you guys don't see eye to eye and had a fallout with the Worldwide Digital Proxy, but this seems needlessly snarky. This isn't Slot Car Illustrated.

By the way, I'll be running the last race of the WDP using YOUR software, which I love. Czar will be joining me that day. I've already touted how great it is to him and he has sounded enthused to try it (he's only ever used the app.) Can't wait until the 2.0 release.
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Re: What is new in the digital world?

Postby BARC 1 » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:14 am

My 2 cents.

Lets keep it light and happy around here. It is about the only escape from real world problems I have anymore. I would hate for this place to become drama filled as well.

I do agree with Bruce on the heaping too much criticism at the manufacturers though. They have to make a buck, and that includes Slot.it as well. This new chip of theirs sounds great, but who knows if it will be a marketing success. Too early to tell. It might fall flat and the revenue generated by the sale may not sustain it. There is a real good chance of that happening, and if it does, then the issue is not Slot.it, The issue is the very small market to sustain production on items like this.

I will beat a dead horse over this. The digital slot car market is to small to sustain different platforms. The digital experience would be better served with an industry push to standardization across the board. I brought up the collaboration of Slot it and Scalextrics as an example of what needs to happen a few months ago, and suggested that Carrera my find itself on the outside looking in, if they don't start looking at some collaborative efforts as well. However I can also see Carrera feeling their success has them poised to be the only one left standing after the dust settles giving them the monopoly on digital racing(Mass market)

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Re: What is new in the digital world?

Postby Drewbert34 » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:37 am

I have not interpreted anything I've read as criticism, but good holistic call out.

As mentioned before, I vote with my wallet, which has been lightened considerably over the last 4-5 months.

I love digital and I love Carrera. I marvel at the open source (for 3rd party development) of Scalextric digital. Patience is a virtue, I suppose :)

There's Apple and Android ;) Different ways to skin the same cat.

I apologize if anything I've said has come across as criticism, as that was not at all my intent.

Maybe we need a place where ideas and discussions of "why?" and "why not!" are more openly received and discussed vs. perception of complaint and lessons on micro economics?

...else, why discuss possible future state at all? Maybe that's the point?...just accept what is offered and don't ask any questions?

For me, it's fun to think of the possibilities. If it isn't feasible, that's fine...but it's still fun to discuss.

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Re: What is new in the digital world?

Postby Czar » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:17 am

Mr. Yingling, I read your screed. I really like HRW and think Harry has established an amazing site for people who enjoy slot cars and slot racing. One of the most obvious characteristics of HRW is the open exchange of ideas without the snarky, belittling comments that you see on other slot car sites. Another difference here is that it is supported by the owner (Harry) and not underwritten by major manufactures, distributors, or stores. For you to come into these forums and within a total of 45 posts to ignore (or hope to change) the tone of this website is insulting to all the members who embrace the philosophy that has characterized this board since the beginning. I have tried to make a positive contribution to the discussions here with almost 800 posts. I will not take your bait. I am sure that everyone (including me) can benefit from your technical knowledge. But please understand that a difference of opinion is simply part of a civilized discussion. I hope you will continue to post on HRW, but please remember where you are and show some respect.
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