1/32 90's NASCAR - "Project: Thunderbat" WIP

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1/32 90's NASCAR - "Project: Thunderbat" WIP

Postby HomeRacingWorld » Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:58 pm

HOLY SLOT CARS BATMAN!

This project is based on the car Bill drove in '95. It was one of the first, if not the first "themed" based decorated cars of the time.

It was an easy choice:
Bill Elliot fan? - CHECK
Batman Fan? - CHECK

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The kit was given to me by our own Bob Taylor.

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This is a nice kit although the peel and stick decals are not going to win me any concours awards. That's ok, I wouldn't anyway and I like a challenge.

Our series uses the Piranha motor as power along with CB DESIGN 15 X 8 wheels and Paul Gage Tires. I was going to use the insert wheels but I liked the look of these as I felt they represented the look well enough.

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Used the JK D3 bracket again, but built in a little offset just to be different.

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Working on pinning it out and completing the basic chassis.

Stay Tuned! Same Bat time, Same Bat Channel! (sorry, when do I get this chance to say that?)
-Harry

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Re: 1/32 90's NASCAR - "Project: Thunderbat" WIP

Postby ShotgunDave » Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:03 pm

Gotta love Awesome Bill, from Dawsonville.

I was just thinking that I need to get going on my Lumina for this series. I need one more set of wheels for mine but that won't stop me from building my chassis.
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Re: 1/32 90's NASCAR - "Project: Thunderbat" WIP

Postby Z-carfan » Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:23 pm

Looks like a great start Harry. I'm curious as to the Brass rod coming back from axle to motor mount.
Is this for holding everything in line? Rigidity? Looks?
Will you be able to answer these questions before the next episode?

BTW, Pattos makes those decals for the Batman scheme.

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Re: 1/32 90's NASCAR - "Project: Thunderbat" WIP

Postby HomeRacingWorld » Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:50 pm

Thanks Mike.

Just to add a little strength. You may not think so but even the brass rod helps. With our milder motors it's more than strong enough and easier to work with in some cases than piano wire.

Yes, saw that at Pattos. You are making me wish I ordered them :) Oh well, we shall see how these come out. In any event, it's going to be a racer.
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Re: 1/32 90's NASCAR - "Project: Thunderbat" WIP

Postby bill from nh » Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:50 pm

Harry, the chassis offset should really help the handling on an oval, even a flat one. I'll reserve judgement on the brass rod motor bracket brace. As you get further into the build, you can also offset the guide to keep the car centered in the slots. If you use pans, add a solid brass one on the left, make a pan outline using piano wire or brass rod for use on the right side. I'll be watching this build with some future interest.:)
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Re: 1/32 90's NASCAR - "Project: Thunderbat" WIP

Postby dge467 » Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:09 pm

Cool build Harry! I have clear coated over those peel and sticks with out a problem.
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Re: 1/32 90's NASCAR - "Project: Thunderbat" WIP

Postby HomeRacingWorld » Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:02 pm

Have made offset before and the guide is off center, yet model sits evenly on the track.

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Does the weight shift make a big difference? Not a lot. It's been talked about before, and yes it does help a little of course. But my fastest car is straight inline with the lead added in the right spots.
Not by much though, this Ford with a motor swap to Piranha is HARD to beat. In fact I'd say the difference is all driver now, and that's how I like them :)

I was hoping to clear over with success. We shall see. :dance:
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Re: 1/32 90's NASCAR - "Project: Thunderbat" WIP

Postby bill from nh » Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:48 pm

"Bill, does offsetting the guide affect handling? In terms of how the weight is aligned against the slot Harry is centred, but offsetting the guide shifts more mass to the inside? And it handles better?"

Johnny, I mentioned offsetting the guide, not for better handling, but with some track's lane spacing, you need to have the car's center centered on the slots, or else you'll have clearance problems when trying to pass other cars. If the guide was centered on an offset chassis this condition might occur. But Harry has posted a photo showing us an offset car he has built where he provided an offset (off-centered) guide, so my mentioning it is a point not needed.

For better handling on a oval, it usually is better to have as much mass shifted to the car's inside side as possible. More of this weight occurs on a slot car's rear wheels than the front. I think that the actual left-right position of a guide flag has very little effect on a car's handling. I once had a car set up neutral for a then local tri-oval that was a killer! At other times, things that should have worked, didn't work. So none of this is cast in concrete.
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Re: 1/32 90's NASCAR - "Project: Thunderbat" WIP

Postby Broman62 » Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:19 am

Another awesome informative how to thread!! Looking forward to final build!!
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Re: 1/32 90's NASCAR - "Project: Thunderbat" WIP

Postby HomeRacingWorld » Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:16 pm

Not much time last few days, but had a chance to work on the wheels.

Wanted to detail the CB Design wheels to increase the scale detail. I chose to model it after the Basset wheel that Bill and other teams used in that time period.

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Shotgun Dave gave me a paint tip and I decided to try his way. I used an old Sharpie marker and dipped the end in some Apple Barrel acrylic paint.
Then mounted the wheel on the razor and turned it to around 3 volts. Not very fast, but just enough.

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Lightly held the marker to where I wanted the line and it worked great. I gave it 2 coats.

I painted the "lug nut" dimples that are machined into this wheel with a toothpick and Testors silver enamel. Since it was a little too much, I used a Q-tip soaked in 90% Alcohol and scrubbed the surface. It removed the excess paint that came over the edges, but left the dimples painted.

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The used our good old Toothpick Tire Trick to do the "lettering".

Not bad. Adds just a bit more to the appeal for me.

Thanks again Shotgun for the paint technique advice.
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Re: 1/32 90's NASCAR - "Project: Thunderbat" WIP

Postby ShotgunDave » Fri Apr 29, 2016 10:33 pm

You nailed that Boss. It looks perfect.

It's always nice to know someone is listening to our tips too. :text-thankyouyellow:
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Re: 1/32 90's NASCAR - "Project: Thunderbat" WIP

Postby CrockettNZ » Fri Apr 29, 2016 11:19 pm

I like that one
very nicely done I will have to give that ago myself
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Re: 1/32 90's NASCAR - "Project: Thunderbat" WIP

Postby HomeRacingWorld » Sat Apr 30, 2016 8:52 pm

Thanks guys.

Back to the chassis. I simply "pin out" the chassis as most do on the HoneyComb Kids board.

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I have drawn lines on mine using a square. Since this is slightly offset motor, I use some 1/8" wire and use the wheels to make sure I have centered and even alignment.

Well here is my own take on an old stand by. I like to do things a bit different so I created "shaker" pans incorporating the next size larger square tubing to sleeve over the original frame rails. This isn't anything new to veteran builders but thought some might get a kick out of it.

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The rear bracket stops the pans that direction, and I installed a front bar that includes a square tubing section for guide wires that stops the pans from going forward. You may not think so, but the few thousandths freeplay of the fit of the tubing creates a very nice "Shaker" pan that gives decent float.

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I mount the chassis on the setup block with body. This way I can center my guide tongue so the car tracks centered. Body isn't needed if you simply measure from the outer edges, but this worked fine.

So let me present the "Shaky H" chassis :)
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Ok...time for body work.
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Re: 1/32 90's NASCAR - "Project: Thunderbat" WIP

Postby Ky.Slot Racer » Sun May 01, 2016 7:29 am

Awesome idea on the side shaker pans H, I dig seeing these new ideas on the old build techniques. In a few I have built recently, seems the shaker pans work very efficiently on the smaller cars, as long as they are not tied together with the body, (allowed to move freely between themselves) on the road coarse that is... beings this particular body is a bit under scale, should be a great combo. Where the flop pans do good on the larger wheel base. then there`s the SHAKER FLOP pans, they are the tops so far on the tracks here. I will give this a go on a build myself, and see how it goes.
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Re: 1/32 90's NASCAR - "Project: Thunderbat" WIP

Postby HomeRacingWorld » Sun May 01, 2016 10:20 am

Thanks Mark.

It is fun trying new things, or trying a new approach to old methods. So far it runs pretty good. But my cars are usually the slowpokes of the field, so maybe not a good test :)
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